`With Hangouts, Singhal says Google had to make the difficult decision to drop the very “open” XMPP standard that it helped pioneer.´

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Exclusive: Inside Hangouts, Google’s big fix for its messaging mess

Michael K Johnson May 16, 2013 06:52

https://developers.google.com/talk/open_communications was updated yesterday and doesn’t mention this. Does that mean that google will still federate (XMPP back end) but not use it for their own chat products? I think this deserves some further explication from +Nikhil Singhal 

Eugene Crosser May 16, 2013 07:05

If the change means that I can no longer log in to my @gmail.com account using a third party xmpp client, I can live with that.

If it means that server-to-server xmpp federation stops to work, i.e. that a gtalk user cannot transparently IM with a user of any other jabber system, that’s really bad.

r herrold May 16, 2013 08:33

‘With Hangouts, Singhal says Google had to make the difficult decision to drop the very “open” XMPP standard that it helped pioneer.’ … because an Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol is not, you know, designed to be Extended

Seems like a direct run at a big vendor using a local deviation from a standard RFC to lock out competitors.  It was wrong with AD and Microsoft; it is wrong here, from the little color in the article

so, +Nikhil Singhal , what forced Google to NOT simply extend via the XMPP approach, and what is needed to open it as a new RFC, and when will Google be proposing that new RFC?

Jes Sorensen May 16, 2013 10:33

Please Google, just take hangouts and put them somewhere else, and stop putting everyone in my circles into my Jabber contact list - that is really all I am asking.

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